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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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21#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 只看该作者
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
22#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 只看该作者
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :3 A# j8 q# `- W. _+ i
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
23#
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 只看该作者
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
24#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 只看该作者
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈2 i* J7 m2 n, U6 k

- y7 A9 T+ w2 ]  V" Q/ o' h版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
25#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 只看该作者
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits, n& e2 G$ N9 a9 q; a' m7 v2 A
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
$ F* A. j: z/ Z. ~Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and- U6 O% \/ t2 Z
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
0 t4 M+ q% V9 eIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and& m4 }& @' j: Y8 [; d* g: r9 ]
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following& I+ g, R$ z: e; A% _
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required  j! v" Z2 ~- C% [4 `# W
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:9 E0 `8 r. \: h2 J2 g0 C+ w) K  r$ w# j
a. peak: 200 V) `! O; e% T  n) C
b. rms: 120 V8 f( L3 ]& f- [0 D
c. d.c.: 60 V# o. S3 E- Z. \& G& d6 e
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
) R% N: f( N4 B8 NIf the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
1 E5 ~5 p. O6 x; \; qwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
9 @8 I8 g. F3 e% T- c4 tequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
- {0 c5 d4 r8 h9 e4 f( lThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the8 g2 M% L! R# @( g
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.
" f+ k& ^- Y! _: iRATIONALE:9 A- G2 x3 T( \. l
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication, |; T0 a2 E1 M& C: g
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced/ {! B; e" K1 F
to earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered# C6 f4 `  f  x) A2 d
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
1 H  G5 J6 o1 y* {; h3 h$ IAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
/ l( Q4 r1 Q3 s" H1 N) e4 ~of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
' L7 f, r/ \; ~" ]externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to& M- K: s7 q, J; W% ~- A7 _
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits6 }, {# v+ I+ P. {. I% ?: U+ H
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may
+ l" D/ s8 \, t/ Wbe used.: \, Z- A$ R) q0 B9 z
根据class III equipment定义的条款, [3 i! r7 P: @
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon5 y, w! ]% C- S; i& B# D
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
& s# h4 q& `' ]7 K8 F9 INOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.# R" A% ^/ B2 j8 N6 R
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
: l8 Z2 j) u7 S: a- F& u欢迎拍砖4 E% O, t2 t& E' i& f
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26#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 只看该作者
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
6 B/ F% o) Q' a  W3 W# R参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
6 ?1 k! V0 K: x7 O' d% q1 K' ZIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication' l5 ^/ u& a" a0 p
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
& Z3 s* |( L: pAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.3 I, H$ `2 s5 m# @; n0 [
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and& m& G. Y) b6 N8 l  {( D( r6 R8 D' A
.......

5 l9 ~# q) a/ |/ Q) B: j. fTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
& ~6 e4 |6 K/ f. e直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III& ]. I. F+ }; J' I
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
27#
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 只看该作者
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
28#
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 只看该作者
不用判断属于几类!
29#
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 只看该作者
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
30#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 只看该作者
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