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我们有家客户买我们的“空白标签”，要求有UL认证，按理说，我们是应该提供PGJI2的档案给他们的，但是，因为他们买我们产品的时候，没告诉我们说他自己回去要加印UL标志，只是说要要求材料有UL认证，又因为我司对这款材料没有做PGJI2的认证，所以我们就提供了我司供应商PGGU2的档案给他们，现在UL查核到我们客户用我司提供的标签打印UL标志，然后开了个VN，客户要求我司对此做出解释；请问，他们买材料的时候说要有UL认证，那我们就必须提供PGJI2的档案吗？他们自己去做这个认证不行吗？

Andy.Yang

That means you don't have a good conversation with your customers, as you described, what your customer needs is the UL PGJI2/8,  and normally, it's not so good for your customer to do the UL PGJI certification, for more information, pls see below:
& \  w3 `% Y2 h) u/ R' W% rLable requirements for UL
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Topic I--->Classification for UL type R markings
Basically, for UL type R category products, there are three kinds of UL marks which we can find in the market:
1. The UL listing mark: most of the UL final products can be covered in this kind of marking, such as the computer, PC, domestic appliance, power tools, and etc. For this kind of UL mark, it must be shown on the product itself;
2. The UL recognized mark: this kind of mark only applies to the components, not the whole products, and normally this kind of mark is "RU" with the "R" turns to the opposite direction. Not the same as the UL listing mark, this mark is not compulsory to be shown on the product itself or on the package, but in most cases, the manufacturer will show this mark on their products or the packages for those products;
6 \5 M% N# {* D5 [7 O$ @7 d3. The UL classified mark: this kind of mark is for some special products, and only some characteristics of those products can fulfill the UL's requirements, then it's not so common compared with the UL listing and recognized markings.
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$ J8 z* A! }5 zTopic II--->Decription and requirements for UL type R labels
Not similar with the UL type L labels, the manufacturers don't need to order and buy the UL labels directly from UL, at this time the manufacturers can print the labels by themselves or buy the labels from a UL authorized Label provider, so pls see below for details:
  x; b- W5 x9 H( k4 {9 |8 l1. For UL listed/listing mark:
Normally, if this kind of mark is laser-printed or die-stamped, there is no special requirements for the labels,and at this time , the manufacturer only needs to send the design drawing of the label to UL label center and let the label center to review the design, then ok is ok.
But if the labels are adhesive paper label, then there are many requirements in most cases for the label provider:
1) The label provider must have the UL PGAA and PGJI2 or PGDQ2 program, that means there are two combinations for this kind of labelPGAA+PGDQ2)and  (PGAA+PGJI2).
2) The label design drawing must be approved by UL label center, that means the manufacturer or the label provider must let the label design approved by UL before they apply the labels to their products.
3) If PGAA+PGJI2 is used, at this time, the label provider only provide blank or partial blank labels to the manufacturer, then the manufacturer can print some content on the labels by themselves, pay more attention that the ink or the ribbon which the manufacturer used must match the label materials, and this matching information can be found on the UL website.
' m! q& v, G8 G  I+ T* \2. For UL recognized mark:
( U/ F" N: x# C$ JBasically, in most cases,the "RU" in not the necessary element for this kind of products except the PWB, AWM. So for this kind of mark:
1) The PGAA program is not needed for the label provider.
! e- A6 u6 W% Q& l" f+ K; u1 w" F6 I$ {2) The PGDQ2 or PGJI2 is needed and the requirements is similar with the listing mark.
3) Label design review is also  not needed.

yw_shi

大哥,不要老是写英文好不好,看着就烦,直接回答问题不就好了!

你们要提供PGJI2档案,或着他们也可以拿你们的材料去做认证.

花剑舞天下

引用第2楼yw_shi于2010-08-05 09:41发表的  :
大哥,不要老是写英文好不好,看着就烦,直接回答问题不就好了!
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你们要提供PGJI2档案,或着他们也可以拿你们的材料去做认证.

我们必须提供PGJI2的档案给他们吗？或者是他们拿我们的材料去帮我们的PGJI2完善认证吗？

Andy.Yang

引用第2楼yw_shi于2010-08-05 09:41发表的  :
大哥,不要老是写英文好不好,看着就烦,直接回答问题不就好了!
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你们要提供PGJI2档案,或着他们也可以拿你们的材料去做认证.

So pls change your name into Chinese first, everybody has its own way to write, speak, and live.
If you are impatient, then do not read what I write, and I can tell you " it's none of my business for your impatience!"

Andy.Yang

引用第3楼花剑舞天下于2010-08-05 10:01发表的  :

' ^; Q& r4 r3 F. ~  a5 _& }我们必须提供PGJI2的档案给他们吗？或者是他们拿我们的材料去帮我们的PGJI2完善认证吗？

What I suggest is your factory should do this approval, cause if your factory is a label supplier, then PGJI2/8 is a normal approval, and it also can let your factory get more customers...

yw_shi

我的名字是中文拼音, 非英文

花剑舞天下

引用第5楼Andy.Yang于2010-08-05 10:04发表的  :
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% S) O) ~. N, e6 q! jWhat I suggest is your factory should do this approval, cause if your factory is a label supplier, then PGJI2/8 is a normal approval, and it also can let your factory get more customers...

问题是现在去做认证已经来不及了，我们客户那边现在货还在扣着不能出，让我们去当面给UL解释，因为承认样品时候没有客户没有说明要在空白标签上面加印UL标志，所以我现在去解释的时候就说当时提供PGGU2的档案就可以了，这样说的通吗？

yw_shi

恐怕不行吧

花剑舞天下

引用第8楼yw_shi于2010-08-05 10:16发表的  :
恐怕不行吧

那该怎么解释？因为我PGJI2的档案没有这一材料的认证啊！