UL wiring harness 标签的贴法

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各位大虾，我们公司UL 工厂检查除了问题，UL 工程师告知我们以太网线的进料包装箱上没有贴Wiring harness 标签，说我们的这根网线属于wiring harness 认证的，但是我咨询了一下厂商，却被告知，因为网线是由plug + cable 组成的，而这两部分都是有自己厂生产，之后再由自己厂进行组装一起的，所以这种情况，是不用贴 wiring harness 标签的，请问这个说法是对的吗？
8 `. {8 \) }5 L( `: B% v/ J# ]前提是: plug 和cable  都是有做过UL 认证的哦
Cable 的UL NO. E139315
Plug 的UL NO. E136825
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kite130

如果你们卖给别人用，那就要。

; b9 D7 e) A+ K7 r$ W如果你们自己做配套，就不需要

Andy.Yang

引用第25楼milighost于2011-12-08 15:55发表的  :
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I don't think your supplier will be fined. Only the final product manufacturer will be fined because it is the final product manufacturer's responsibility to request supplier to get wire harness approved by UL and use correct labels. And if your supplier is not a UL listed manufacturer, there's no chance for UL to fine it.

2 y3 d" K$ d# VCorrect your opinions as below:
, M# W; s% ]! d1. Firstly, I don't fully agree with your opinions, Yep, the final/end product manufacturer can ask the cable and wire's supplier to attach the UL 764 or UL758 labels on its products, but there is a definite policy that, it's the responsibility of the wire&cable supplier to ship out its products with the UL labels attached, think it carefully, so that's why I mentioned in my e-mail that the VN for the label issues happened in the end products' manufacturer will be informed to the cable&wire suppliers;
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( e' V1 W4 E" N# ~. W% |# O6 J7 z2. Secondly, in the end products manufacturer's FUS procedure, normally, I believe only UL R/C AWM is necessary, so in this case, no need that the cable&wire assembly must be approved by UL under the UL764(wiring harness procedure), and if the manufacturer of the cable and wiring assembly can provide the labels which provided by its supplier to the end products' manufacturer, and transderred to be confirmed by UL auditor, that also can be accepted if the UL auditor is not a fool, because this also comply with the UL traceability Manual's requirements;
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3. Thirdly, if the supplier is not a UL recognized, here, correct your points that "Listed", as to UL764 manufacturer only can be called UL recognized company, not listed, then in this case, we can trace to the wire&cable's supplier, not focus on the supplier of the wire&cable assembly, here, pls focus on the difference between the wire&cable and the wire&cable assembly, as we know, the poster has already told us that, the wire&cable is UL758 certified, just no UL label attached, so at this time, the VN will be transferred to the manufacturer of the cable&wire(UL758), not the manufacturer of the cable and wire assembly.

4 W$ b. t% z2 E. V- G% q2 BFinally, if the supplier of the cable& wire is not the UL R/C, then that's the responsibility of the end products' manufacturer, and in this case, that's totally another story...

And remind you here, only at the first time, this kind of VN can be ignored from the end products' manufacturer's side, but if this kind of VN recurred at the end products' supplier, that's also another story...
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! S+ I* @2 ]( z6 r6 cHopefully, that can help you to really understand UL's policy for the wire and cable factories, and also can let you know don't jump a conclusion as your will, unless you really know it deeply...

Andy.Yang

引用第25楼milighost于2011-12-08 15:55发表的  :
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8 `2 ]( w9 G0 L; G! bAs for the fine, I don't think your supplier will be fined. Only the final product manufacturer will be fined because it is the final product manufacturer's responsibility to request supplier to get wire harness approved by UL and use correct labels. And if your supplier is not a UL listed manufacturer, there's no chance for UL to fine it.

For the punishment, you can commnicate with local UL inspection center, and if the VN at the end-product manufacturer is related with wire&cable label issues, this kind of VN will be transfered to the cable&wire supplier, as well, the cable&wire supplier will be warned or fined by UL, that's UL's policy, especially for wire and cable type L category products, I am very sure to tell you this point.
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, C& R3 L- x6 xAnyway, if the VN has non-relationship with the wire and cable, then the end-product manufacturer will be fined or warned, that's another story.
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+ X* Z$ E' |9 n  N2 oHere, I only can say that one thing can not cover everything, you only can learn more through experience by yourself...

yearl

原来是这样啊。明白了。

milighost

引用第24楼Andy.Yang于2011-12-08 15:37发表的  :
/ z. ]' ^9 H4 _' t! M! s* t3 @if the cable and the plug is built at the same factory, then you also have two options:
1. if your supplier is certified under ZPMV2(UL764), then you can directly as it to provide the UL764 labels in the future;
2. If your supplier is only certified under ZVLV2(UL758), then you need to ask it to provide the UL758 labels to you in the future, but here, you must communicate and confirm with UL auditor first for this case.
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" h. ]( O1 E1 k/ s8 wBut don't be afraid of that, even VN was issued during the factory audit for this case, the VN is for the supplier, not for your factory, and your supplier will be fined or warned by UL, but remember, don't let it happen again, or your factory also will be fined by UL...

As for the fine, I don't think your supplier will be fined. Only the final product manufacturer will be fined because it is the final product manufacturer's responsibility to request supplier to get wire harness approved by UL and use correct labels. And if your supplier is not a UL listed manufacturer, there's no chance for UL to fine it.

Andy.Yang

if the cable and the plug is built at the same factory, then you also have two options:
5 X! ]0 v" w# k" ^+ M1. if your supplier is certified under ZPMV2(UL764), then you can directly as it to provide the UL764 labels in the future;
2. If your supplier is only certified under ZVLV2(UL758), then you need to ask it to provide the UL758 labels to you in the future, but here, you must communicate and confirm with UL auditor first for this case.
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( V0 p* ^) e8 |4 h# O2 [. lBut don't be afraid of that, even VN was issued during the factory audit for this case, the VN is for the supplier, not for your factory, and your supplier will be fined or warned by UL, but remember, don't let it happen again, or your factory also will be fined by UL...

milighost

引用第17楼bella-bing于2011-12-08 15:08发表的  :
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Thanks！ but we very unluky, Nothing any UL label on the product packaging, The Ethernet cable shoud be applicable to UL 758 standard.
0 \6 q, W" L; h& c+ `) TI do not understand is whether can not provide wiring harness label if cabel and plug is same manufacturer?

即使plug和cable来自同一个厂商也不可以。因为归根到底这是UL追溯性要求的内容。UL认证的AWM线，在买来的时候是一卷一卷的，上面会贴有UL的线材认证标签，你的FUS中应该就是要求使用AWM的线，但是由于你的线已经经过加工，在你们公司现场审核员无法看到这个标签，所以就要求组装网线的工厂要做线束认证，然后加贴线束标签，这样UL审核员见到线束标签就知道之前的cable和plug的认证已经经过确认，是可追溯的。

bella-bing

引用第21楼Andy.Yang于2011-12-08 15:24发表的  :
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I assume the cable assembly(connector+cable) is used on your products, then if your products is approved by UL, the cable and/or cable assembly must be traced back to UL R/C, and this kind of cable and cable assembly belongs to UL type L category, so the UL auditor will ask you to provide the UL758 label or UL764 label to gurantee your products is Reconginzed by UL.

! R) h3 |0 G' ^4 I  g+ K: qI know your concern, you may think you can provide the UL file No. of the connector and cable, then that can gurantee the cable assembly is UL recognized, but as what I mentioned above, all UL type L category products must attach the UL labels to support this kind of type L products has approved by UL, anyway, the UL file No is the prerequisite.

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Well, I can only communicate with vendors!
$ B5 ^" R* u% K' N6 x! EThanks for you help

Andy.Yang

引用第17楼bella-bing于2011-12-08 15:08发表的  :
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Thanks！ but we very unluky, Nothing any UL label on the product packaging, The Ethernet cable shoud be applicable to UL 758 standard.
: K, G4 k5 r- Y" F. H) ^  v9 ~. rI do not understand is whether can not provide wiring harness label if cabel and plug is same manufacturer?

I assume the cable assembly(connector+cable) is used on your products, then if your products is approved by UL, the cable and/or cable assembly must be traced back to UL R/C, and this kind of cable and cable assembly belongs to UL type L category, so the UL auditor will ask you to provide the UL758 label or UL764 label to gurantee your products is Reconginzed by UL.

I know your concern, you may think you can provide the UL file No. of the connector and cable, then that can gurantee the cable assembly is UL recognized, but as what I mentioned above, all UL type L category products must attach the UL labels to support this kind of type L products has approved by UL, anyway, the UL file No is the prerequisite.
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. `; T( ^( x" B7 {% Z, ?' [So if actually, there is no any UL labels, whatever UL785, or UL764, on the package of the cable assembly, then you must ask your supplier of the cable assembly to provide the UL764 labels( if your supplier is certified under UL764), or to provide the UL758 labels( if your supplier are not certified by UL under UL764).
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0 F3 m7 F( z0 ^) l4 U, [Finally, make an explanation as below:
6 Z. P" H! o& m9 z  }Cable: belongs to UL758 category, call it AWM(ZVLV2);
Cable + Connectors: belongs to UL764 category, call it Wiring harness(ZPMV2).
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Hopefully, it clarifies....