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标题: PGDQ2和PGJI2标签不同的疑问。 [打印本页]
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 14:13
标题: PGDQ2和PGJI2标签不同的疑问。
简单的区别我是知道的，UL官网上也有相关描述。我想知道的是从各位的经验角度来说，PGJI2在哪种情况下可以替代PGDQ2,假设现在我们用的是PGJI2标签（从外部供应商购买），但是我们并不对该标签进行再处理，直接当成完成品来用，这种情况不就是PGDQ2的应用情况吗？那这时用PGJI2还对不对？我认为是不对的，应该用PGDQ2的标签，但是我不是很确定，所以需要有相关经验的人来回答，以下贴出我收集的信息。
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PGDQ2
PGDQ2：Marking and Labeling Systems  - Evaluated to UL Standard 969 for UL Recognition - Includes finished, printed labels evaluated for specific conditions (uses, surfaces, and temperatures).  Minimum construction includes: face stock, adhesive, and printing; may also include overlamination and/or support stock.  

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PGJI2
PGJI2：Marking and Labeling Systems, Printing Materials  - Evaluated to UL Standard 969 for UL Recognition – Includes a combination of label stock (printed or unprinted) and ink, evaluated for specific conditions (uses, surfaces, and temperatures).  These labels are similar to those covered under PGDQ2, but are printed using laser or thermal transfer printing methods at the end-use manufacturing location. If a PGJI2 label is not printed by the end-user, it may be considered incomplete and therefore not Recognized. If you wish to have the option of providing a label system that may or may not be further printed (employing laser or thermal transfer printing) by the end user, then the label system should be Recognized under both PGDQ2 and PGJI2.
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PGJI2.GuideInfo' b) g4 s8 J3 z- v
Printing Materials - Component
[Marking and Labeling Systems - Component] Printing Materials - Component
The materials covered under this category are incomplete in certain constructional features or restricted in performance capabilities and are intended for use as components of complete equipment submitted for investigation rather than for direct separate installation in the field. THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE COMPONENT IS DEPENDENT UPON ITS INSTALLATION AND USE IN EQUIPMENT SUBMITTED TO UL.
USE
This category covers adhesive-attached label materials, such as overlaminations, unprinted label stocks, and printed labels that have been investigated in combination with specific inks for adding information to the label materials using compatible printing equipment. The printing equipment is considered compatible if it is capable of producing legible printing with good initial adhesion of ink to label material. Only unprinted (blank) areas of the label material are suitable for additional printing, except where otherwise specified. The labels are intended to provide warnings, instructions and other information subject to permanence of marking requirements.
Products described as printed labels in the individual Recognitions may also be supplied without printing. Products described as unprinted label stock are supplied only in unprinted form.
The specific combinations of label materials and inks covered under this category are intended as an alternative where Recognized marking and labeling systems (covered under PGDQ2) are specified.
以上都是从UL官网上搜集到的信息，请各位师兄给我明示！

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作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 14:30
神人来祝！！
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 14:48
么人想回答么
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:03
给力啊
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:09
顶上去
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作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:22
还是么人啊
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作者: Safer    时间: 2012-1-5 15:33
做为PGDQ2是正确的。但是，同时些PGJI2是多给了制造商一个选择，可以自己去印刷.
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:33
再顶三次，没人回就不顶了
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:36
Safer 发表于 2012-1-5 15:33 + N; R& s3 m4 @' R: ]3 Z0 _& J
做为PGDQ2是正确的。但是，同时些PGJI2是多给了制造商一个选择，可以自己去印刷.
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这个我知道，我主要是想问，如果我选择PGJI2但是我不自己印刷，还是让供应商去印刷可以不？
作者: Safer    时间: 2012-1-5 15:39
可以的。
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 15:57
Safer 发表于 2012-1-5 15:39 1 X+ Y' O, d+ z" x6 b1 N
可以的。

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作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-5 16:44
再顶一次！
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-6 08:29
问题没解决，早上顶起
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作者: 包子    时间: 2012-1-11 15:44
标签系统认证分为两个部分： 打印系统(INK)，空白标签及背胶(打印材料)，厂商送过来的空白标签当然是属于PGJI2的，完整标签才是PGDQ2，PGJI2不是完整的标签系统，他的使用是受限制的，另外还有一个受限制的标签系统PGGU2.
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-11 15:48
包子 发表于 2012-1-11 15:44
: r- J8 E  \; Y9 M标签系统认证分为两个部分： 打印系统(INK)，空白标签及背胶(打印材料)，厂商送过来的空白标签当然是属于PG ...
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这个我知道，但是现在情况是供应商供应的标签是经供应商印刷完成的，我们直接拿来贴，并不再进行印刷。这样的话，对方提供的是PGJI2标签可以不？
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-11 19:29
In order to make it easy, I will explain it as below:
" K3 w4 z  @: B5 G! yPGDQ2/8: for this kind of label, you can not add anything into it, and all the information which will be shown on the label should be finished by the label supplier;2 v8 m& v1 r  E
PGJI2/8: for this kind of label, you can partially or fully print the information which will be shown on the labels, but here, remember, if you do print some information on it after you buy it from the label supplier, then make sure that the color ribbon/adding which you use to print must be UL R/C, and it must match the labels which you get from the supplier, for matching, or not, you need to check through UL.COM to confirm." k- m) o, z$ }
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Hopefully, it helps you....
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-11 19:31
So based on above information, normally, which you need should be PGDQ2/8..
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-12 09:03
Andy.Yang 发表于 2012-1-11 19:29 6 p- I6 E1 Y& ^' O8 T! G9 ^
In order to make it easy, I will explain it as below:
5 v4 _- N4 J0 ^4 S" q& TPGDQ2/8: for this kind of label, you can not  ...

9 O! K1 R5 h& n/ U6 U- Z4 CThanks Andy.yang,but I still have a question about what you said.For PGJI2/8 must I print some information on it? If I don't print any thing on it,I can not use this kind of label,only can use the labels of PGDQ2/8,is that right?
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-12 13:42
Not really, anyway, you can understand easily in the way you mentioned above, saying, if you don't add any information on the label, then use the PGDQ2/8 option....
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-12 13:57
Andy.Yang 发表于 2012-1-12 13:42
/ Y! L! `+ k  X, }Not really, anyway, you can understand easily in the way you mentioned above, saying, if you don't a ...

1 H1 [$ w0 b8 W; S( x6 b* W2 _While the current situation is ,the label supplier we have now can't provide the PGDQ2/8 label,they can only provide the PGJI2 label even without PGJI8.
. {5 d3 J+ C9 R- g" Y/ pSo the problem is that we have to use the PGJI2 label in a short time,it's a headache.If the PGJI2 labels only printed by the label suppliers,without our printing,are OK,that is good.
2 t) i/ G# i& n- a/ pSo what I mean is if the PGJI2 label can equal to the PGDQ2,or I must use PGDQ2 label instead.
" M- q& W/ ^8 ^9 z  M2 mIf you konw,please tell me ,thank you very much.
作者: little_min    时间: 2012-1-12 14:38
PGDQ2:印刷厂买PGGU2的底纸材料，用指定的油墨印刷再加上覆膜的。PGJI2是指部分印刷或未印刷。% o# f; W3 n8 y3 H  K  b
搞清楚这两个概念，就知道怎么回事了！
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-12 14:49
little_min 发表于 2012-1-12 14:38 " Q( ?0 d3 C- w$ K7 x% i1 L1 j0 h
PGDQ2:印刷厂买PGGU2的底纸材料，用指定的油墨印刷再加上覆膜的。PGJI2是指部分印刷或未印刷。
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作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-12 22:23
Hi, there, you can deal with this case in an easy way, just look into the FUS procedure of your products, and find out the descrption for the label/marking, there must be a description for the label which'll let you know whether UL R/C PGDQ2/8 and/or PGJI2/8 could be used on your product, then that's it, don't focus on so much just related with your own thoughts, your FUS procedure will be the decision maker...
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-13 08:27
Andy.Yang 发表于 2012-1-12 22:23
, M: v3 Y6 N/ }* L$ L: ~8 B1 eHi, there, you can deal with this case in an easy way, just look into the FUS procedure of your prod ...

! I  M$ L% I& d1 ^) n) B2 m7 QYep,tanks again,you are a good man!
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-13 08:30
Andy.Yang 发表于 2012-1-12 22:23 % H) c6 p. V4 e4 w
Hi, there, you can deal with this case in an easy way, just look into the FUS procedure of your prod ...

2 W  K! Q* c& ~5 K  v; nAnd a private question,are you in a American company or in a European company?As your english is very good,
6 k; Y  k3 q8 z# v7 }5 z3 PI am interested.
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-13 10:26
本帖最后由 Andy.Yang 于 2012-1-13 10:28 编辑
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jia_suwei 发表于 2012-1-13 08:30 : `) u3 b% Z' n) A- r
And a private question,are you in a American company or in a European company?As your english is v ...

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$ ]9 w+ f1 i) ?2 Q. f! B/ AYep, I am working for a US company...
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2012-1-13 10:29
And thanks very much for saying so....
作者: jia_suwei    时间: 2012-1-13 10:31
Andy.Yang 发表于 2012-1-13 10:29
& P$ ^- M0 _- G. j4 aAnd thanks very much for saying so....

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