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作者: 花剑舞天下 时间: 2010-4-26 18:29
标题: 关于UL多重列名
关于UL多重列名我想请教各位一下：我司是一个印刷公司，同时有一个分公司在江苏，我司申请的有PGAA

GDQ2;PGDQ8;PGJI2，同时申请的有多重列名，而分公司也有一个单独的PDGQ2档案，听分公司人员讲他们的PGDQ2档案是在申请多重列名的时候自动带出来的，跟总公司的档案号不一样，后听本季度UL验厂人员说：我司只用将PGDQ2授权给我们分公司使用，然后可以将多重列名和分公司的PGDQ2档案取消掉，这样可以节省一大笔银子，但是在实际操作的时候，我们分公司专员讲一旦将多重列名取消，分公司关于UL的档案就没有了（据说是UL公司人员告诉他的），后续就不能正常使用UL，我现在迷糊了！不敢下手了，请教各位大大，该怎么做？
我们总公司有PGDQ2；PGDQ8和PGJI2；还有PGAA；我们多重列名的档案有PGDQ2和PGDQ8，分公司生产用到的是PGDQ2；PGDQ8和PGJI2，分公司的PGDQ2和PGDQ8是列名来的。

作者: H-RH 时间: 2010-4-26 19:27

一旦将多重列名取消，分公司关于UL的档案就没有了

这个是必然! 问题是, 谁有权去"将多重列名取消"? 只可以是持有档案者,即总公司!

另外, 多重列名不等于可以在分公司生产!! 生产者只可以是authorized manufacturer !

况且, 多重列名不是免费的!!

应该是 PGDQ, 不是 PDGQ !

作者: 花剑舞天下 时间: 2010-4-26 19:33

引用第1楼H-RH于2010-04-26 19:27发表的 :

这个是必然! 问题是, 谁有权去"将多重列名取消"? 只可以是持有档案者,即总公司!

另外, 多重列名不等于可以在分公司生产!! 生产者只可以是authorized manufacturer !
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谢谢指正错误，那现在可以将多重列名取消吗？取消以后怎么能不影响分公司的正常生产呢？拜托了！为这个问题快愁死了，刚接触UL公司就给丢过来一个这样的问题！

作者: H-RH 时间: 2010-4-26 22:04
不太明白, 据你所说, 你们分公司的UL 档, 是透过总公司UL 档案之多重列名才存在! 为何要取消?
如你们把总公司之档案转移到分公司(file transfer), 以后当然可以减去一些费用, 但转移后你们之总公司便丧失了档案及生产权, 档案权便永久由子公司拥有, 你们真的是想这样吗?

作者: 花剑舞天下 时间: 2010-4-27 07:59

引用第3楼H-RH于2010-04-26 22:04发表的 :
不太明白, 据你所说, 你们分公司的UL 档, 是透过总公司UL 档案之多重列名才存在! 为何要取消?
如你们把总公司之档案转移到分公司(file transfer), 以后当然可以减去一些费用, 但转移后你们之总公司便丧失了档案及生产权, 档案权便永久由子公司拥有, 你们真的是想这样吗?

不是可以将档案授权使用的吗？我们是否可以将总公司的档案授权给分公司使用？

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2010-4-27 08:48
Firstly, I must show you the difference between the UL multiple listing and the one-applicant-more-manufacturer-location:
Presume your factory is A, and your subsidiary is B, and A is the main file(Applicant), B is the multiple listing file, then:
1. UL multiple listing file: at this time, B can use A's UL file No., trade mark and model No. on their products when they produce their own products, perhaps, B also can use its own UL file No., trade mark and model No. shown on its own UL file.
2.One-applicant-more-manuafacture: at this time,in the applicant's UL file, there are more than one manufacturer's locations, and every location can use the same file no., trade mark, and model no. shown in the UL FUS procedure.

By the way, multiple listing is chargable at both sides, so as you said, I suggest:
1. cancel your subsidiary's UL file, then
2. add the subsidary location as a new manufacturer location in your factory ,including the PGAA, PGDQ2/8, PGJI2/8.
But at this time, I must tell you that, your factory only can save the annual maintenance fee, and can not save the inspection fee which incurred by the factory audit..

But I'm not sure, why at the total begining, your factory chose to create a multiple listing file, you must know the reason, cause sometimes, the factory chooses to create a multiple listing file is for the market reason, so if it is, you must make sure that cancel and transfer does not affect the market sale.

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2010-4-27 08:55

引用第3楼H-RH于2010-04-26 22:04发表的 :
不太明白, 据你所说, 你们分公司的UL 档, 是透过总公司UL 档案之多重列名才存在! 为何要取消?
如你们把总公司之档案转移到分公司(file transfer), 以后当然可以减去一些费用, 但转移后你们之总公司便丧失了档案及生产权, 档案权便永久由子公司拥有, 你们真的是想这样吗?

UL file transfer does not mean that the main factory can not use the UL file and can not manufacture the products which described in its FUS procedure any more.
Transfer has two kinds of way, one is total transfer, that is what you said. another is keep the applicant and manufacture location , and only add a new manufacturer location, it's also ok...

作者: 花剑舞天下 时间: 2010-4-27 09:09

引用第5楼Andy.Yang于2010-04-27 08:48发表的 :
Firstly, I must show you the difference between the UL multiple listing and the one-applicant-more-manufacturer-location:
Presume your factory is A, and your subsidiary is B, and A is the main file(Applicant), B is the multiple listing file, then:
1. UL multiple listing file: at this time, B can use A's UL file No., trade mark and model No. on their products when they produce their own products, perhaps, B also can use its own UL file No., trade mark and model No. shown on its own UL file.
2.One-applicant-more-manuafacture: at this time,in the applicant's UL file, there are more than one manufacturer's locations, and every location can use the same file no., trade mark, and model no. shown in the UL FUS procedure.

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我司是印刷公司，制造的产品是没有自己的商标的，至于当初申请的时候为什么要申请多重列名，我也不是很清楚，但听公司领导说，为了方便我们分公司可以印刷UL标志，和使用总公司已经经UL认可的材料，因为我们对UL基本都没什么了解，别人说怎么做就怎么做，现在每年的各种费用（不带跟踪服务费）加起来有将近1万多USD，所以才来过问这个问题，这样的话多重列名是否有必要取消呢？
英文水平不怎么好，意思理解有偏差的话请原谅！

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2010-4-27 13:14
Hi, Guy:
Firstly, I can explain to you the UL's three kinds of CCN for label manufacturers:
1.PGAA: only a procedure/process certification for UL label manufacture, only have this approval, the label manufacturers can print the UL listing mark for their clients. Then I must explain what's the UL listing mark,pls see below:
normally, UL has two kinds of markings, one is that what I said "UL listing mark"(has a circle around the "UL" ), this kind of mark mostly is for the whole products, such as the computer, home electrical appliances, another kind of UL mark is the UL recognized mark, is only for the UL recognized components, such as the motors, transformers and etc, and your products belong to the latter one.
2. PGDQ2/8: this kind of CCN is that the label manufacturer must provide the whole label, including all the words information requested by their clients, and the clients can not add any other information on this kind of labels.
3. PGJI2/8: this kind of label is that the label provider can provide blank or partial-blank labels to their clients, and their clients also can add or print other information on the labels, but at this time, the clients must pay attention that the ink or color ribbon which they used must match with the papers which you provide.

Secondly, I think your factory's certification is a little messed, from my side, your factory can cancel the MULtiple listing file in your subsidiary, cause this will result another annual fee for that multiple file, and only needs to add one new manufacturer location in your main UL file, at this time, you factory can at least save an annual fee for the multiple listing file.
Another suggestion for you to save the UL fee, is that you can prepare all the samples which described in your FUS procedure at one time, and let the UL auditor can get all the samples during one-time inspection, then they will not go to your factory to do second inspection, cause the UL has a policy to the Label manufacturers that if all the samples can be available at one time, no other inspection is required, so you can save another inspection fee again..

Finally, pls carefully read your UL FUS procedure first, then you can learn more, and can let other poeple know what kind of questions do you wanna ask....

作者: jianbliu 时间: 2010-4-27 14:04
楼主是对的, 只要在总公司PGDQ2/8 下增加一个制造工厂, 多重列名可以去掉和分公司挡案可以去掉!
但是:,费用减多少要看具体情况(你描述的不是很清楚)
欲更详细,请短信联系!

作者: 花剑舞天下 时间: 2010-4-27 14:37

引用第9楼jianbliu于2010-04-27 14:04发表的  :
楼主是对的, 只要在总公司PGDQ2/8 下增加一个制造工厂, 多重列名可以去掉和分公司挡案可以去掉!
  但是:,费用减多少要看具体情况(你描述的不是很清楚)
  欲更详细,请短信联系!

我是刚接触这一行，不知道你说的描述不详细具体是指哪方面的？

作者: jianbliu 时间: 2010-4-27 15:03
QQ号去掉, 这里不准留地址

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2010-4-27 15:49
For the Fee related with UL, explain as below:
1. Annual maintenance fee: be charged as the files No., for your factory currently, you must pay for the main files belongs to your main factory, and the multiple listing files belongs to your subsidiary, and this kind of fee is one time cost;
2. Follow-up insection fee: will be charged after the factory inspection happens.
As to your factory(PGDQ2/8 and PGJI2/8), in UL 801 bulletin, there is a description that max 2 times if all samples are available during these two inspections, if during one inspection, all the samples are available, then one time is OK, but for PGAA, one time per year is OK.
3. FUS sample testing fee: depends on how many samples do you have, if so many, it will be higher, but not increase as times.

All the fee described above is not same for different UL products, but what you said, just the annual fee for your UL files is more than 10000USD, that's reasonable, cause you have three kinds of UL files...

作者: xuewenfei 时间: 2010-9-15 20:00
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